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Post by crystal on Dec 11, 2006 21:46:00 GMT -3
well i am very multinationally friendly but i can say that i am slightly angered by this flag business. i believe that j rod was totally wrong in the raising of this francophone flag, and without a council vote. We should all be proud and to be represented as Canadians under our maple leaf flag. i think that it is ludacris to have to have a flag to recognize everyone from each nationality, it is a waste of time, money and only derives conflict. if this is the way that our mayor is going to behave then perhaps they should make a Crystal flag. then i will be happy too! lol!
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Post by Max on Dec 12, 2006 16:40:17 GMT -3
I agree. There is only 33 percent French in this city and there is no Anglaphone flag flying at city hall.
Next thing you know J-Rod will declare the outskirts of Sudbury a nation within Canada.
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Post by Lyne on Dec 13, 2006 23:01:15 GMT -3
Have you looked at the Sudbury Star pole about the flag? www.thesudburystar.com/webapp/sitepages/Looks like 94.8% of 5597 Sudburians disagree with you. I am Francophone, proud of my heritage, fully bilingual and see no problem with a Francophone flag ( or any other flag that represents a certain group), flying at City Hall. BTW, what is the % of Sudbury's English only ( as in, not bilingual) community? Perhaps it's time for the Anglophone community to stand together and demand equality if indeed, that is what people think this is about. That's what the Francophones do. In my opinion, the conflict you speak about, is for most people, a matter of frustration and/or jealousy that goes a little deeper than a flag and dates back to many, many years of English vs French. Afterall, 33% is a big chunk of our city's population! French Frogs and English Squareheads, remember that from grade school? French vs English; it seems silly that it's still happening in 2006. I say, suck it up and do the same if it's so important! What I don't agree with however, is that the cost of maintaining flags is cast upon the taxpayers when it should be covered by individual groups wanting to fly their flags. (if indeed that's what is happening) ...and hey Max, don't be giving me attitude when we talk next because of this post, k? lol |
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Post by max on Dec 14, 2006 18:36:32 GMT -3
The French were invited to Sudbury in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They never showed up until the 1920s or so. While I'm glad they came they certainly don't deserve to have a flag flying at city hall while the English do not.
When France flies their flag on the bridge this French flag needs to come down. This is a bilingual country but in Quebec it's all French.
Why is this, Miss Lyne?
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Post by Lyne on Dec 14, 2006 18:50:08 GMT -3
I think that the 1920's still qualifies as the early 1900's so I'm not sure what your point is, max. You obviously didn't understand my post, I do believe I put in bold "or any other flag" so again, what's your point? Just because I said I was Francophone (well, bilingual actually) you presume that I believe only our flag should be there? Read it again.
I must have missed the news day where Anglophones were rejected to fly their flag at City Hall. Please post me a link so I can be better informed before posting on this topic again!
Peace and love. ;-)
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Post by Max on Dec 14, 2006 19:26:17 GMT -3
I think that the 1920's still qualifies as the early 1900's so I'm not sure what your point is, max. You obviously didn't understand my post, I do believe I put in bold " or any other flag" so again, what's your point? Just because I said I was Francophone (well, bilingual actually) you presume that I believe only our flag should be there? Read it again. I must have missed the news day where Anglophones were rejected to fly their flag at City Hall. Please post me a link so I can be better informed before posting on this topic again! Peace and love. ;-) My point is, Miss Lyne, that the Francophones don't deserve to have a flag flying at city hall anymore than the Anglophones do. This is just going to divide our city more. Inside city core, outside city core, French, English. And yes you must've missed the news day memo; Miss Lyne; there is no such thing as a Anglophone Ontario flag; therefore we have none to fly. in Love and Rage. |
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Post by Lyne on Dec 15, 2006 0:01:54 GMT -3
You know Mr Mart, you should login every time you post something so we know who the real author is.  "And yes you must've missed the news day memo; Miss Lyne; there is no such thing as a Anglophone Ontario flag; therefore we have none to fly."That was the point of my first post! They didn't reject the Anglophone flag, you just don't have one! I guess it would be up to the English folks to have one made and I'm certain J-Rod will let ya fly it also. In rage there is love. |
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Post by Max on Dec 15, 2006 17:47:53 GMT -3
Well, Miss Lyne, can yu tell me why the Francophones have a flag?
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Post by Lyne on Dec 19, 2006 14:16:09 GMT -3
I certainly can Mr Mart! We, the Francophones, have fought diligently throughout our history for the right to being served and educated in our language. We have earned and therefore, deserve the right to be recognised as a majority people and not a minority. We have the right to fly our flag, we have the right to speak French and expect you, the English community to make an effort to understand our language, just as we have made the effort to understand yours. We were brought up speaking French in the household and in school, we learned how to speak English from our friends, television and whatever else. You, the English folks who say “there’s English everywhere, it’s easy for you to learn” are usually the ones who also didn’t make an effort to learn when as a child, your friend next door struggled to speak English to you, so that you would understand him. He is bilingual today, you are not, you blame us, the ones who made the effort when it's you who can’t get a job because bilingualism is a requirement. Perhaps Sudbury’s French population is only 33%, and perhaps only 33% of city jobs should require bilingualism…however, like anything else, bilingualism is education is an asset and is a reflection of one’s integrity. Have you ever noticed that when there is one English speaking person in a group, everyone speaks English? And, when there is only one French speaking person in the group, everyone still speaks English, including the French person who sometimes only understands half of the conversation? Just as someone with two degrees will get the job, the one with two languages, who serves the public should also get the job. They do offer French as a second language courses at both colleges and if money is an object, watch Sesame Street in French, we watched it in English when we were kids. We, the Francophones stand together, we have tons of groups and organisations to support us. We have a flag because we stand united and want to preserve our heritage. So, I ask you Mr Mart, if being Anglophone is something all English should be proud of, why is it that they DON'T have a flag? Big hugs to you.  |
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Post by crystal on Dec 20, 2006 22:32:54 GMT -3
and they said that there would not be conflict from raising this flag. ha! personally i was raised english and in chelmsford where there are a lot of french speaking folks. i learned how to speak french from them i did make the effort and i am also engaged to a french speaking person, but i still believe it was wrong for j rod the dictator to raise this flag and trust me read the sudbury star letters to the editor and you can see the anger from the sudbury citizens. just look in todays paper. all this has done is seperate sudbury, we need to be united rather that devided. and as for an anglaphone flag, we dont need one because i do not feel that we need to be acknowledged as a group because i consider us as a whole.  crystal |
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Post by Max on Dec 20, 2006 22:41:41 GMT -3
Miss Lyne, you seem to suggest that being bilingual means French and English. Many people speak English and Italian, or English and Polish, or English and Sign language. These people don’t qualify for jobs that require people to be bilingual and this is wrong.
What is even more funny is that mayor dumb supported this silly French hiring policy requirement when he himself could not even speak French.
I suppose English people don't have a English Ontario flag because were not as insecure as the French. I thing the people who voted in this French Ontario flag should explain why a English Ontario flag wasn't created at the same time.
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Post by Englishman on Dec 26, 2006 3:03:30 GMT -3
If you have a business in Quebec and you have an english sign, you could be fined up to $10,000! They cry about seperatism all the time! If you want your Frankaphone flag to wave(not fly), go back to Quebec.  |
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Post by secretsquirrel on Aug 11, 2007 13:07:10 GMT -3
Please excuse my ignorance, but who the hell is "J-Rod"  ? |
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Post by secretsquirrel on Aug 11, 2007 15:20:36 GMT -3
Never mind. John Rodriguez. Wasn't thinking.
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Post by aaa11 on Sept 22, 2008 22:43:40 GMT -3
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